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With Meghna Chakrabarti. When I was fourteen, Mom and Dad sent me to St. Joseph High School, the Catholic school up the hill from our place, housed in a s- era tan brick building sometimes confused for a light industrial structure due to the surprisingly high smokestack of its old incinerator. This offered its own sort of political education. At Saint Joe, we were brought up not only to learn Church doctrine on matters like sexuality and abortion, but also to understand the history of the Church as a voice for the oppressed and downtrodden. At all- school mass in the bleachers of the airy, aging gym, we would pray for the various places and peoples around the world experiencing oppression.

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MICHAEL: A lot of times the minorities or the black guys that worked at Studebaker had to work in the foundry because it was the dirtiest, hottest, horrible-ist job in the factory. And it spread all over the country, including to the Midwestern heartland, where white people policed it just as violently as they did in the South.

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NOLA: It was the old- the old idea of a village. Like they leave. They wanted and they knew they deserved something better. But just imagine, as far as you can see. He has like a lot of good memories. And it says a contract was read by lawyer Chester Allen. KAI: Keep your anxieties coming. Private actors, they could do whatever they want:. A cooperative.

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Craftsmanship with a flair. And his wife Elizabeth was the first black woman attorney in Indiana. We may not be able to solve them for you, but we may make an episode to help understand them at least. NOLA:Somehow or another, the idea was given to my parents.

What are you carrying into the polls that surprises you in ? We used to come eat hamburgers right here at Toasties.

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OLIVIA: I never thought my generation millennials would have to adapt to less, marriageless and apartment lifestyles because of the economy, and get ridiculed by generations for it. This was the secret site that they would never even mention in the minutes. So, they weren't rebels, but they were bound and determined to get what they wanted.

Studebakers were iconic cars, way ahead of the style curve with tough names like The President and The Commander.

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It was one of the only places in the city where black residents could live. And at the hearing, black South Benders testified one by one about the racism they faced while trying to find a home. They were chasing manufacturing jobs — these new opportunities open to black workers because of World War Two. KAI: Well by the way, Mississippi is where I was back in episode one, with the Lester family, who made the choice to stay in the South rather than migrate North.

Yeah, Mom and dad and the three of us — five of us, the Jackson Five. And that's why Michael Jackson is like South Bend forever. I found this transcript that will give you an idea of what it was like. Listen to it. A secret meeting.

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So I am certain that that's where she got the idea of calling it Better Homes. And they picked up the ball and proceeded to run with it. And at one point, with the help of an olympic gold medalist in a suit.

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But it would be a lot harder to turn down a sale if the buyer was a company. Their houses resembled army barracks and they were built fast to house the Studebaker employees. But I can just see how much hope and fear and courage lay behind this simple statement.

So they started with a name. And she has copies of all the meeting minutes. So, over the bridge game, J. If you want to buy in a different neighborhood — start a company. KAI: They threw bricks and bottles.

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And these families were starting to have kids and thinking about the future. Ugh, then there were groupies coming in, right? KAI: What happened back then? KAI: Which is what Martin Luther King learned when he came north to Chicago, inand brought thousands of people into the streets to protest segregated housing.

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KAI: And so white businesses created whites-only train cars, refused to sell black people everything from a home to a cup of coffee, you name it. Everybody knew everybody else. JENNY: The people who put those houses on those two city blocks — they were fighters, but in a quiet and patient way. And that story starts at the third place that every driving tour in South Bend has. And somewhere in that house hunting process, something clicked for J. Chester Allen: Realtors and banks would turn down individual black families, because they knew they were black.

It seems so simple and so plain. He and his wife were a South Bend power couple, J. Chester was the first black member of the South Bend City Council. Most famously Plessy V. Ferguson, because that's about state laws. Tried to get a white neighborhood to share their heartland. Mine too. Nobody wanted to make their lives there. And we feel that we have to do it this way, in order to bring the evil out into the open, so that this community will be forced to deal with it.

JENNY: But all of them inevitably have three things; First — something related to Pete Buttigieg — like where he grew up or a place where my guide saw him in person. So absent moving next to a noxious dump — the families would have to come up with a plan. Chester Allen. NOLA: And it was such a- a close knit society.

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White realtors and home owners told them flat out they would not sell to black families. All the stuff that we understand now as segregation. They were both lawyers, people with the means and the know how to buy a house — but even they had to jump through hoops to get their home. People were flooding into South Bend to work in the factories — they were making cars and also tanks and engines for World War Two.

This was one of the most dangerous jobs in the factory because it required handling liquid metal, all day. You better not get out of line because everybody knew who you were [laughs]. That means going all the way back to the era just after the Civil War, a period called Reconstruction, when the U. We're going to force this president to stand on that debate stage, next to somebody who actually lives in a middle class neighborhood, in the industrial Midwest Now you have a president who is standing up for America, and we are standing up for you the people And they did it in spite of a whole set of rules and laws intended to leave them out of that prosperity.

NOLA: Well my parents, my parents needed a place to live, the question was how could they achieve that? They needed a radical idea.

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They come up north. The story begins, like many things in the industrial Midwest, in a car….

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And the more personal to you, the better. Someone hit King in the head with a rock, because they wanted to keep their neighborhoods closed. First, there was a big ruling that said the amendment applied only to state governments. Let's put it like that. The factory that Mike Jackson's father moved to South Bend to work in. And a likely prospect was mentioned by him as a beautiful site for building. KAI: Plessy V. The legal system we came to know as Jim Crow. Just record a voice memo and it to me at anxiety wnyc.

So in this episode, reporter Jenny Casas is gonna tell the story of how 26 black families tried to open a closed society. The Supreme Court did. JENNY: The contrast, the economic and racial segregation, it makes everyone bring up two city blocks of sort of matching single family homes. Yeah, I mean, I think in so many ways they're like- his- his parents are the opposite story. But she remembers the families worshipped together at church every Sunday, they shopped at the black business district nearby, and they grew food together in a community garden.

Not protesting in the streets, but — in crowded living rooms, and law offices, and bank board rooms.